Latest Labs. Slight elevation in hematocrit

Snakedoc74

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One year in. Just had my 6month check in.
Peak Total T 1144, (injected 12 hours before test)
SHBG 19
Hematocrit 53

Cypionate: 120mg divided into twice weekly injections.

Any reason to back off to 100, given the low SHBG and hematocrit levels?
Dr wasn’t concerned and mentioned it could be dehydration or because I injected so recently, but that we’ll keep an eye on it.
 
One year in. Just had my 6month check in.
Peak Total T 1144, (injected 12 hours before test)
SHBG 19
Hematocrit 53

Cypionate: 120mg divided into twice weekly injections.

Any reason to back off to 100, given the low SHBG and hematocrit levels?
Dr wasn’t concerned and mentioned it could be dehydration or because I injected so recently, but that we’ll keep an eye on it.

Why are you testing at the peak as we always want to test at the true trough (lowest point) before your next injection.

Even then peak will be within 24 hrs so you will have a hard time testing at the true peak.

Chances are your true peak may be a little higher.

Nothing wrong with trying to get an idea of where your peak sits but you need to know where your trough sits which would be 84 hrs post-injection when injecting twice-weekly.

Even then you are missing the most important blood marker here free testosterone.

Although TT is important to know FT is what truly matters as it is the active unbound fraction of T responsible for the positive effects.

As you can see you are hitting a high peak ? TT 1144 ng/dL 12 hrs post-injection and more importantly seeing as you have lowish SHBG 19 nmol/L it is a given your FT would be very high.

The only way to know where your FT truly sits would be testing it using the most accurate assay the gold standard Equilibrium Dialysis especially in cases of altered SHBG.

Otherwise you would need to use/rely on the next best testing method the calculated linear law-of-mass action Vermeulen (cFTV) which will give a good approximation.

Tends to overestimate slightly but nothing to fret over.

You can easily calculate your FT using the online calculator which is available to the general public for free.

Just plug in your TT, SHBG and Albumin.

If we take your high peak ? TT 1144 ng/dL, lowish SHBG 19 nmol/L and Albumin 4.3 g/dL (default) your peak? FT 36 ng/dL is very high which would be expected.

Even then your trough FT would still be high.



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FT <5 ng/dL would be considerd low.

FT 5-9 ng/dL would be considered the grey zone where some men may experience symptoms of low-T.

FT 10-15 ng/dL would be healthy.

FT 20-25 ng/dL would be high-end/high.

The majority of men will do well with a trough FT 15-25 ng/dL depending on the injection frequency.

Most men struggling with elevated RBCs, H/H is because they are running too high a trough/steady-state FT.

Also keep in mind that other factors such as sleep apnea, smoking, asthma, and COPD can have a negative impact on hematocrit.

If you feel good overall, minus any sides and blood markers are healthy then I see no reason to change anything.

Again if one has no underlying health issues and is not experiencing any negative sides most in the know specializing in testosterone therapy would not fret if the patient's hematocrit falls within 50-54%.

Yes some will be more cautious and take measures once hematocrit hits 52%.


* hematocrit of ≥54% appears to be consistent threshold to discontinuing or reducing treatment utilized by major urologic governing bodies, while the evidence for this specific cutoff is lacking


*The Endocrine Society uses a hematocrit threshold of >50% as a relative contraindication to initiating TT and >54% as an indication to discontinue treatment [1]. The European Association of Urology (EAU) guidelines on hypogonadism also state that the hematocrit should not exceed 54%, while recent Canadian guidelines cite 55% as the safe upper limit [15, 40]. The AUA guidelines on testosterone deficiency define polycythemia as a hematocrit of 52% and recommend stopping or reducing treatment if the hematocrit reaches 54% [14]
 
This should ease your mind!




* Most current guidelines, including those from the American Urological Association and the Endocrine Society, flag hematocrit above 54% as a threshold requiring intervention. Some clinicians use 52% as a softer “watch and manage” threshold, particularly for men with additional cardiovascular risk factors.


 
My last test, in October, was in my trough and I was around 840.
Is there harm in a high free-T? Or maybe the better question is, are there likely unwanted side effects?

My overall health is quite good (no smoking, COPD, weight issues, etc).
 
My last test, in October, was in my trough and I was around 840.
Is there harm in a high free-T? Or maybe the better question is, are there likely unwanted side effects?

My overall health is quite good (no smoking, COPD, weight issues, etc).

If you were hitting a high-end trough FT 840 ng/dL with a lowish SHBG 19 nmol/L then it is a given your trough FT 25.1 ng/dL would be high.

Many tend to fare well running a higher-end trough FT/upper 1/3rd but it comes down to the individual.

Yes FT is the active unbound fraction responsible for the positive effects.

All that should really matter here is the dose one needs to achieve a healthy trough FT which will result in relief/improvement of low-T symptoms and overall well-being.

Yes symptom relief is what truly matters but when it comes to what FT level is needed one needs to keep in mind the overall goal would be to use the least amount in order to feel well while at the same time minimizing sides and keep blood markers healthy long-term.

The most common side is elevated hematocrit.

The majority of sides when using exogenous T are the result of running too high an trough/steady-state FT level let alone when it comes to cosmetic sides such as oily skin/acne, excessive body hair, MPB, gynecomastia your genetics will have the final say.

Ts metabolites estradiol and DHT play a role here.

As I have stated numerous times on the forum running too high an FT level can be just as bad in many ways as having too low an FT level especially when it comes to libido/erectile function and mood.

One of the reasons why many may end up struggling in the long run.

The body was never meant to be amped up on testosterone 24/7.

You end up hammering the S**T out of your DOPAMINE and CNS.

Testosterone has a tonic effect on the CNS and can easily make one feel amped up, some may become agitated/anxious or struggle with getting quality sleep.

Comes down to the individual as some are more sensitive than others and will continue to struggle when running too high a trough/steady-sate FT.

I see no issue with where your trough FT sits and more importantly as I stated previously if your feel good overall, minus any sides and blood markers are healthy.

If you were struggling with sides then you would esily have room to lower your weekly dose and bring down your trough FT.

Otherwise if all is good then stick with it and enjoy the ride!
 
One year in. Just had my 6month check in.
Peak Total T 1144, (injected 12 hours before test)
SHBG 19
Hematocrit 53

Cypionate: 120mg divided into twice weekly injections.

Any reason to back off to 100, given the low SHBG and hematocrit levels?
Dr wasn’t concerned and mentioned it could be dehydration or because I injected so recently, but that we’ll keep an eye on it.
Like your doctor, I'm not concerned either. If you're feeling good I would definitely not change anything.
 
I second both suggestions above…


If you feel good and all markers are good then don’t change anything or else you may end up chasing your tail and wishing you’d just stuck with what was working. Now, at 53 the hematocrit is starting to get up towards that level where it may be considered not good by some, but two things on that front;

1.) based on the traverse trials, levels at 54% or lower don’t seem to indicate increased risk. Or at least that’s the cutoff they had for removing people from the trials and they ended up determining there was no increased risk from trt.

2.) the hematocrit number is a lot more flexible than most people realize. I’ve shared my personal experience on here before and while I don’t remember the exact numbers of the top of my head, my hematocrit dropped around 4 points from a Friday morning to a Monday morning. This is despite the fact that I’d assumed I was much more hydrated for the Friday bloodwork. So yes, keep an eye on hematocrit but also realize it’s just a snapshot in time. As with all the other results, don’t get so caught up in it that you’re chasing a certain number. Sure that’s one of the more important ones, but we often see guys get caught in vicious cycles of donating blood and they end up feeling like crap while introducing yet more variables they have to juggle/troubleshoot, like ferritin and other factors.



If you are healthy overall your body can likely handle more and also adapt better to changes. I think that makes a huge difference with regard to what protocols and variables different people can handle. Think of it like a machine… if all the parts are running efficiently then there is a hiccup in a certain area, the machine can still operate and account for any issues until it finds a new balance. On the other hand, if there are multiple issues across the board and a new problem is introduced, it cascades across the system and the problems can compound. So if your overall health is good and you feel good then be wary of making any major changes.
 
Thanks, fellas. I appreciate the thoughts and advice.

As for my timing of the test...it was really unintentional. My appointment happened to be scheduled the day after my normal dosing schedule. The last time I held off and got the trough number. This time I stuck to my schedule and got the 1144. I guess it gives me the ballpark I'm dealing with. Besides increased back hair and smaller testes, there are really no other side effects that bother me. Certainly worth the trade-off from the low-energy, brain-fog I had prior (I was at 344 total).
 
Let me offer a brief contrary view. You're taking in testosterone at a rate that is likely around double what your healthy natural production would be. It's also more testosterone than almost any man could make naturally. The long-term consequences of this are uncertain, but there are known risks associated with such high dosing. For example, your elevated hematocrit is driving higher blood viscosity, which increases stress on the vasculature. This could reduce longevity in susceptible individuals. If you had already explored a physiological dosing range, say 40-90 mg TC/week, and then found that higher doses produce better results, then you might be justified in accepting the risks. But in my opinion it is illogical to start high and go higher. This unfortunate situation stems from the historical dosing of Depo-Testosterone and continued more-is-better thinking surrounding testosterone.
 
Thanks, fellas. I appreciate the thoughts and advice.

As for my timing of the test...it was really unintentional. My appointment happened to be scheduled the day after my normal dosing schedule. The last time I held off and got the trough number. This time I stuck to my schedule and got the 1144. I guess it gives me the ballpark I'm dealing with. Besides increased back hair and smaller testes, there are really no other side effects that bother me. Certainly worth the trade-off from the low-energy, brain-fog I had prior (I was at 344 total).

If you understand the literature regarding increased hematocrit and TRT then it comes down to where you feel comfortable.

Regardless of what anyone says it is still a critical blood marker that needs to be kept in check!

It's not a FREEBIE here!

Would not get too caught up on the TRAVERSE data as this would only apply to the men running levels well within the physiological range.

Many on T therapy are overmedicated as in running very high or in some cases absurdly trough/steady-state FT levels 24/7!

The standard starting dose for T therapy by those in the know is 100 mg T/week or better yet 50 mg split twice-weekly.

Yes you could have started on 100 mg T/week and would have easily hit a healthy trough FT level and most likely felt just as good overall with a lower hematocrit to boot.

No one should be starting therapy >100 mg T/week as many can easily achieve a healthy let alone high trough FT on such especially when split into more frequent injections.

Too many want to jump in head first yet lack the understanding of how exogenous T works.

There will always be time to TITRATE the DOSE if NEED be!

No big deal now as again you stated that you are healthy overall and feel good where you are at on your current protocol so there is absolutely no need to change a thing!

Key point that needs to be stressed here by anyone speaking on the TRAVERSE Trial and hematocrit!

* Still, he noted limitations: TRAVERSE used testosterone gel formulations, leaving unanswered questions about the safety of higher serum levels achieved with injectable testosterone. Future research comparing different formulations, particularly injections associated with higher rates of erythrocytosis, is needed to fully confirm safety across all delivery methods.


* Miner emphasized that TRAVERSE has reshaped the safety narrative around testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), easing concerns about cardiovascular and prostate risks. Many men with hypogonadism—who often suffer from fatigue, mood changes, and depression—are now more open to discussing TRT as a legitimate treatment rather than a “lifestyle drug.” Still, he noted limitations: TRAVERSE used testosterone gel formulations, leaving unanswered questions about the safety of higher serum levels achieved with injectable testosterone. Future research comparing different formulations, particularly injections associated with higher rates of erythrocytosis, is needed to fully confirm safety across all delivery methods.











*We bring attention to the limitations of the TRAVERSE trial due to the potential for misleading reassurance of the safety of TRT at physiologic or supraphysiologic levels. The long term CV effects and the safety of such regimens have yet to be studied. We certainly advocate for further research to explore the long-term CV impact of TRT, especially at these higher dosing levels.

*The debate surrounding TRT and CVD risk thus far can be summarized as follows: current evidence suggests TRT does not increase CVD risk in older, hypogonadal men when administered over a short duration and at low-normal levels of replacement. The question remains open when considering the effects of TRT at physiologic or supraphysiologic levels










 
My last test, in October, was in my trough and I was around 840.
Is there harm in a high free-T? Or maybe the better question is, are there likely unwanted side effects?

My overall health is quite good (no smoking, COPD, weight issues, etc).

This is where it stands as of now!

Top experts in the field and anyone in the know treating men for low-T would tell you this!

Unless you are one that has underlying health risks none would be concerned if your hematocrit falls within 50-54%.

Numerous measures can be taken here if need be!


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* Most current guidelines, including those from the American Urological Association and the Endocrine Society, flag hematocrit above 54% as a threshold requiring intervention. Some clinicians use 52% as a softer “watch and manage” threshold, particularly for men with additional cardiovascular risk factors.


* It is important to say clearly: research on whether physiologic-dose TRT meaningfully increases cardiovascular risk is mixed. The large TRAVERSE trial, published in 2023, found that TRT in men with hypogonadism and elevated cardiovascular risk did not significantly increase major adverse cardiovascular events (MACE) compared to placebo. But that finding applies to well-monitored, physiologic dosing. It does not apply to men whose hematocrit climbs above 54–55% without intervention.

 
I will agree with some of the postings about lower levels of testosterone. If you're one prone to anxiety or libido issues, higher levels will hurt you mentally. For me it's the not issue. I can run higher levels. It actually increases my libido and I thankfully never had anxiety.
 
I will agree with some of the postings about lower levels of testosterone. If you're one prone to anxiety or libido issues, higher levels will hurt you mentally. For me it's the not issue. I can run higher levels. It actually increases my libido and I thankfully never had anxiety.

Still pushing that nonsense on here I see!

Again drop the hCG and get back to me on that one!




 
Still pushing that nonsense on here I see!

Again drop the hCG and get back to me on that one!




Sorry this thread is somewhat old. I have had Labs since then, they are pretty similar.

 
Sorry this thread is somewhat old. I have had Labs since then, they are pretty similar.


What's your point here drop the hCG and get back to me on that libido front!

Mod still pushing this I NEED high T to have a strong libido LMFAO!

You were overmedicated on T from the get-go remember that 140 mg T/week with hCG thrown in to boot off the hop way back when and treated by Defy to boot you know the clinic that has no clue how to test the most critical. fraction free testosterone LOL!

You even tried 160--->180--->200 LOL!

Where does it end?

Again I see no issue with where your high FT sits as you are injecting daily and you have highish SHBG to boot so you would need a higher TT to achieve a high-end/high FT!

Looking over your labs OCT 2024 LOL you never even had your FT tested using the most accurate assay Equilibrium Dialysis as you had it tested using the known to be inaccurate direct IA which no one should be using/relying on.

Been stressing this for years on here yet still CLUELESS and a MOD to boot!

You should know this by now!

Hope you understand that your FT would be higher.

If you do not want to get the most accurate test (gold standard ED) for FT then at least have the decency to use the next best testing method which would be the go to calculated linear law-of-mass action Vermeulen (cFTV).

It's FREE man!

Plug in your very high TT 1482 ng/dL, high SHBG 57.5 nmol/L and Albumin 4.3 g/dL (default) then your FT 28.5 ng/dL would be high.

No big deal here as you feel great overall, minus any sides and. blood markers remain healthy.

Again you are injecting daily and hitting a high FT which is a far cry from someone hitting a high trough FT injecting once weekly!

High FT on dailies vs 7 F**KING days post-injection who knew!

Night and day difference here plain and simple!

This is one of the points that I was stressing in that thread!


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I will agree with some of the postings about lower levels of testosterone. If you're one prone to anxiety or libido issues, higher levels will hurt you mentally. For me it's the not issue. I can run higher levels. It actually increases my libido and I thankfully never had anxiety.
I’m in the same boat, and I wonder if over the next few years we’ll get better about predicting which men need which ranges to feel their best.

I tend to think that generally speaking, healthier people can run higher levels with no issues. Lots of people say “if the test isn’t messing up your blood markers then you can keep with it…” and I agree with that to a large extent, but I also think there is some truth to the inverse of that statement. In other words “if you started out in a healthy place with good blood markers you can likely tolerate more testosterone”.

My free, total, and E2 all sit at the top of the range but I feel good overall. And yes I also incorporate HCG, but before Madman freaks out since he seems to be in one of those moods today, the HCG isn’t for libido. I had high levels on test alone and still had great libido. I mainly added it to preserve testicular function and improve orgasm quality.
 
If you understand the literature regarding increased hematocrit and TRT then it comes down to where you feel comfortable.

Regardless of what anyone says it is still a critical blood marker that needs to be kept in check!

It's not a FREEBIE here!

Would not get too caught up on the TRAVERSE data as this would only apply to the men running levels well within the physiological range.

Many on T therapy are overmedicated as in running very high or in some cases absurdly trough/steady-state FT levels 24/7!

The standard starting dose for T therapy by those in the know is 100 mg T/week or better yet 50 mg split twice-weekly.

Yes you could have started on 100 mg T/week and would have easily hit a healthy trough FT level and most likely felt just as good overall with a lower hematocrit to boot.

No one should be starting therapy >100 mg T/week as many can easily achieve a healthy let alone high trough FT on such especially when split into more frequent injections.

Too many want to jump in head first yet lack the understanding of how exogenous T works.

There will always be time to TITRATE the DOSE if NEED be!

No big deal now as again you stated that you are healthy overall and feel good where you are at on your current protocol so there is absolutely no need to change a thing!

Key point that needs to be stressed here by anyone speaking on the TRAVERSE Trial and hematocrit!

* Still, he noted limitations: TRAVERSE used testosterone gel formulations, leaving unanswered questions about the safety of higher serum levels achieved with injectable testosterone. Future research comparing different formulations, particularly injections associated with higher rates of erythrocytosis, is needed to fully confirm safety across all delivery methods.


* Miner emphasized that TRAVERSE has reshaped the safety narrative around testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), easing concerns about cardiovascular and prostate risks. Many men with hypogonadism—who often suffer from fatigue, mood changes, and depression—are now more open to discussing TRT as a legitimate treatment rather than a “lifestyle drug.” Still, he noted limitations: TRAVERSE used testosterone gel formulations, leaving unanswered questions about the safety of higher serum levels achieved with injectable testosterone. Future research comparing different formulations, particularly injections associated with higher rates of erythrocytosis, is needed to fully confirm safety across all delivery methods.











*We bring attention to the limitations of the TRAVERSE trial due to the potential for misleading reassurance of the safety of TRT at physiologic or supraphysiologic levels. The long term CV effects and the safety of such regimens have yet to be studied. We certainly advocate for further research to explore the long-term CV impact of TRT, especially at these higher dosing levels.

*The debate surrounding TRT and CVD risk thus far can be summarized as follows: current evidence suggests TRT does not increase CVD risk in older, hypogonadal men when administered over a short duration and at low-normal levels of replacement. The question remains open when considering the effects of TRT at physiologic or supraphysiologic levels










1.)

Yes there are limitations to the traverse trials, same with all trials.

2.) you yourself note 54% as the top range cutoff and quote various orgs… where do you think they got it from

3.) they did keep participants in the trial in a somewhat tighter window, but from a general viewpoint I can’t think of an obvious reason why having a test level of 600 that results in 54% hematocrit is way safer than having a test level of 900 that results in 54% hematocrit. The organs and other tissue doesn’t care what test level pushed it to 54%, their only concern is how that impacts their jobs. Sure there are other factors that go along with higher levels. But speaking from a strictly hematocrit viewpoint, I’m not sure the cardiovascular system really cares whether it was 1100 total t or 600 total t that pushed hematocrit up to 54
 
What's your point here drop the hCG and get back to me on that libido front!

Mod still pushing this I NEED high T to have a strong libido LMFAO!

You were overmedicated on T from the get-go remember that 140 mg T/week with hCG thrown in to boot off the hop way back when and treated by Defy to boot you know the clinic that has no clue how to test the most critical. fraction free testosterone LOL!

You even tried 160--->180--->200 LOL!

Where does it end?

Again I see no issue with where your high FT sits as you are injecting daily and you have highish SHBG to boot so you would need a higher TT to achieve a high-end/high FT!

Looking over your labs OCT 2024 LOL you never even had your FT tested using the most accurate assay Equilibrium Dialysis as you had it tested using the known to be inaccurate direct IA which no one should be using/relying on.

Been stressing this for years on here yet still CLUELESS and a MOD to boot!

You should know this by now!

Hope you understand that your FT would be higher.

If you do not want to get the most accurate test (gold standard ED) for FT then at least have the decency to use the next best testing method which would be the go to calculated linear law-of-mass action Vermeulen (cFTV).

It's FREE man!

Plug in your very high TT 1482 ng/dL, high SHBG 57.5 nmol/L and Albumin 4.3 g/dL (default) then your FT 28.5 ng/dL would be high.

No big deal here as you feel great overall, minus any sides and. blood markers remain healthy.

Again you are injecting daily and hitting a high FT which is a far cry from someone hitting a high trough FT injecting once weekly!

High FT on dailies vs 7 F**KING days post-injection who knew!

Night and day difference here plain and simple!

This is one of the points that I was stressing in that thread!


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Yes, I agree. I really like HCG. It gives me that super edge and stronger libido!
 
I’m in the same boat, and I wonder if over the next few years we’ll get better about predicting which men need which ranges to feel their best.

I tend to think that generally speaking, healthier people can run higher levels with no issues. Lots of people say “if the test isn’t messing up your blood markers then you can keep with it…” and I agree with that to a large extent, but I also think there is some truth to the inverse of that statement. In other words “if you started out in a healthy place with good blood markers you can likely tolerate more testosterone”.

My free, total, and E2 all sit at the top of the range but I feel good overall. And yes I also incorporate HCG, but before Madman freaks out since he seems to be in one of those moods today, the HCG isn’t for libido. I had high levels on test alone and still had great libido. I mainly added it to preserve testicular function and improve orgasm quality.
Yes I've always done HCG. I don't want raisins for balls.
 

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