Reevaluating the threshold for low total testosterone

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Bob Barrett:

Well, finally, looking ahead, what kind of research do you think is needed to ensure that guidelines and clinical practices align with the latest evidence on testosterone measurement?




Adith Arun:


Yeah, that’s a great question, Bob. And I think there are a few different cutoffs out there by different bodies, which you highlighted earlier in our conversation. And I think the first step is to try to harmonize these cutoffs. Because I think asking physicians to navigate this on their own is not quite the right approach here. And I think getting a consensus definition is probably the best way to go ahead.

But as you pointed out, what do we need to do in order to reach a consensus definition? And I think we can use the understanding of the methods that we have today to inform what we do next. So, I think the fact that mass spec is what most labs use today, and it is considered the gold standard approach to measurement of this specific analyte. But certainly, there are some labs in different places across the world that use the immunoassay methods, like the newer generation immunoassay methods.

So, I think we need to harmonize these levels in the sense that we probably just need a single consensus cutoff point, given that we know, based on previous data that the current generation of mass spec methods and the current generation of immunoassay methods are very concordant to each other, as they have each individually gone through their own changes over the past 20 plus years. We now see that these two methods are quite similar to each other. And so, we just need to calibrate accordingly.

But I think to prove that these are aligned, we need to do that first in a patient-specific way where we collect data on patients who are probably healthy patients who volunteer this and measure it, both the immunoassay and the mass spec method, to establish the fact that these are actually very concordant. Then we just need to build a consensus definition of like, “Okay, is it 264, is it 300, or is it something else?” And I think that requires future work that is in the realm of lab medicine and clinical chemistry.

And so, I think that’s an exciting new frontier to go to which is that, hey, we probably do need to pick a new cutoff or harmonize the cutoff and maybe pick. Maybe it’s 264, maybe it’s 300. And I think that is the next step to go.
 
 
 
Key point that needs to be hammered home here!

Genetic differences in AR sensitivity (CAG repeats)!

* We've also shown that when testosterone is given, if someone has a high CAG repeat, which is low sensitivity, they don't respond unless you get the testosterone in the HIGHER NORMAL RANGE.








* The panel unpacks why “normal ranges” don’t fit every individual, highlighting genetic differences in androgen receptor sensitivity (CAG repeats) and the need to tailor treatment to symptoms and biology rather than numbers alone.


4:20-6:07

* so we have been developing a blood test which is a testosterone CAG repeat ratio. So the higher your testosterone and your lower your CAG repeat you will have a higher sensitivity of androgenization. So that's how you can work it out. We've also shown that when testosterone is given, if someone has a high CAG repeat, which is low sensitivity, they don't respond unless you get the testosterone in the HIGHER NORMAL RANGE.



 

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