Taboo Conversation About Men's ED and Performance Anxiety: Interview with Paul Nelson

Nelson Vergel interviews Paul Nelson, a licensed sexuality counselor, prostate cancer survivor, and founder of FrankTalk.org, an anonymous community focused on male sexual function and recovery.

This candid conversation explores why many men focus on testosterone, estradiol, erections, and laboratory results while overlooking psychological and relationship factors.

Topics include:

• Why one erection problem often triggers ongoing performance anxiety
• How partners sometimes interpret ED as a loss of attraction
• Why men tie self-worth and masculinity to sexual performance
• The difference between physical ED and anxiety-driven erection problems
• How pornography shapes unrealistic sexual expectations
• Why medication-assisted erections are still real erections
• Sexual shame surrounding Viagra, Cialis, Trimix, and other ED treatments
• Low libido, delayed ejaculation, premature ejaculation, and pelvic floor problems
• How prostate cancer treatment affects sexual confidence and relationships
• Why satisfying sex involves communication, intimacy, and connection
• When support from a sex therapist or qualified clinician makes sense

Paul also explains why sexual performance should not define your value as a man. Erectile dysfunction often involves biological, psychological, and relationship factors, so effective care needs to address the full picture.

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Why Erectile Dysfunction Persists When Your Testosterone Is Normal

You can have adequate hormone levels, a valid prescription for effective ED medication, and no obvious mechanical problem, and still struggle in bed. When that happens, the cause is usually not your testosterone. It's the anxiety, shame, relationship pressure, and learned expectations that sit on top of the physical machinery.

This is one of the most common and most misunderstood patterns men bring to the ExcelMale community: the numbers look fine, so why doesn't the erection cooperate? This article breaks down what a biopsychosocial approach to erectile dysfunction actually looks like, based on an interview with clinicians who treat performance anxiety and sexual shame.


What you'll learn:
  • Why "normal" hormone levels don't guarantee reliable erections
  • The performance-anxiety cycle and how it feeds itself
  • Pelvic-floor dysfunction as an overlooked physical cause
  • How masculinity conditioning and shame keep men stuck
  • Why quitting porn often doesn't fix the problem
  • Where to find specialized help

Why ED Persists When the Numbers Look Normal

An erection is a bodily response, not a scorecard for masculinity, worth, or how attractive your partner finds you. Once a man forgets that, a self-reinforcing cycle takes over:

  1. A single sexual difficulty happens.
  2. He reads it as proof that he's broken or no longer desirable.
  3. During the next encounter, he watches himself, monitoring whether the erection will show up and hold.
  4. That self-monitoring raises anxiety.
  5. Anxiety disrupts sexual response, making another failure more likely.

The clinicians compare this to "the yips" in sports. We accept that a pro athlete can freeze under pressure, yet we expect male sexual performance to be flawless every single time. It isn't, and the expectation itself is part of the problem.

The Biopsychosocial-Sexual Model

Lasting improvement usually requires looking at four domains that interact, not just one lab value.

DomainWhat it examinesWhy it matters
BiologicalErectile function, pelvic-floor activity, medications, painPhysical problems can directly interfere with erection, sensation, ejaculation, or orgasm
PsychologicalAnxiety, depression, shame, trauma, self-worthAnxiety pulls attention away from pleasure toward self-monitoring and fear of failure
Social/relationalPartner reactions, cultural expectations, masculinity, communicationA partner who reads ED as rejection can add another layer of pressure
Sexual learningBeliefs about what sex should involve, how a man learned to have sexPorn, peers, and thin sex education can teach performance scripts instead of communication

Medication helps the biological piece. Sildenafil, tadalafil, injections, and implants can restore the mechanics. But they don't touch the anxiety, the beliefs, or the learned behavior. That's why some men get a firm erection from a pill and still feel like something is wrong.

The clinicians also push back on the idea that a medication-assisted erection is somehow illegitimate. Using help for a bodily function doesn't make you defective, any more than wearing glasses does.

Pelvic-Floor Dysfunction: The Physical Cause Most Doctors Miss

The pelvic floor is a basket-like group of roughly 14 muscles that supports the pelvic and abdominal organs and wraps around the structures involved in urination, bowel function, sensation, and sexual response.

The key point: these muscles can be chronically tense, not weak. Men carry stress in the pelvic floor the way others carry it in the neck or shoulders. Sustained contraction can progress to spasm and compress nearby nerves.

Because these muscles interact with nerves, blood vessels, the bladder, colon, and penis, dysfunction shows up as a cluster of symptoms rather than erection trouble alone:

  • Pain at the tip of the penis or in the testicles from possible nerve compression
  • "Hard-flaccid" symptoms and pain when getting an erection
  • Frequent urination, a thin or interrupted stream, post-void dribbling
  • Constipation, diarrhea, or trouble cleaning after bowel movements
  • Penile numbness, delayed or absent ejaculation, reduced orgasm, and ED

Here's the counterintuitive part: more Kegels can make it worse. If the muscles are already too tight, repeatedly contracting them (especially done incorrectly, every day) can aggravate the problem. A standard exam often misses abnormal pelvic-floor tone because most physicians aren't trained to assess it. The right specialist is a pelvic-floor physical therapist, and there's no single protocol that fits every case.

Masculinity, the "Man Box," and Shame

Sexual function can't be separated from sexuality, and sexuality can't be separated from masculinity. Most men absorb an unwritten rulebook (the "man box") about how a "real man" should talk, dress, feel, pursue sex, and perform. Step outside it and you risk being mocked or pressured back in.

That conditioning breeds shame around things that are common and normal:

  • Erectile difficulty or needing medication
  • Lower desire, or wanting sex less often
  • Sexual orientation and identity
  • Consensual interests like bondage or spanking
  • Past sexual trauma, which affects a substantial minority of men

So the useful question isn't only "what's happening physiologically?" It's also "who taught you that your value depends on sexual performance, and why do you still believe them?"

Why Quitting Porn Usually Isn't the Fix

Porn does not automatically cause ED. Plenty of men watch frequently and masturbate often without erection problems, so frequency alone can't be the cause.

The real concern is how porn shapes expectations. It can teach a fixed script: rapid escalation, penetration, simultaneous orgasm, performed like a scene. Some young men copy behaviors they see without context.

Porn also becomes a convenient scapegoat. A man decides he "damaged" himself, quits, and then panics when the problem persists, because the actual driver was anxiety, insecurity, or a sense of not being good enough. Abstinence alone won't resolve ED if those beliefs stay untreated. Porn may supply a bad script; anxiety is usually the mechanism.

Redefining Sex as Communication, Not Performance

The belief that sex is a standard sequence ending in orgasm describes a porn scene, not satisfying intimacy. A more useful definition: sex is communication, touching another person in a way that expresses how you feel about them. That doesn't require an erection, penetration, or orgasm, though any of those can be part of it.

Practically, this means:

  • An encounter isn't a show you perform for a partner
  • Your penis doesn't have to deliver all the pleasure or decide whether it "worked"
  • The same physical acts can feel different because the meaning between partners changes
  • Sexual development is learning new ways to experience pleasure, not repeating adolescent habits forever

With age, satisfying sex often becomes more emotional and less about raw physical intensity. And there's no correct number of times per week. Couples differ, some sleep separately for practical reasons, and a loving relationship doesn't require constant sex.

When Your Partner Reacts, ED Becomes a Shared Problem

Erectile difficulty can turn into two people's anxiety. The partner thinks "you don't find me attractive." The man reads that reaction as proof he failed. The pressure compounds and the next encounter gets harder.

Disclosure gets tangled up in the same shame. If a man believes that needing a pill or an injection proves he can't get a "natural" erection, he hides it. Concealment buys short-term comfort and blocks the honest communication that actually helps. Reframing the tool as a tool, not a moral failure, is part of the work.

How Counseling Approaches It

A first session is an intake covering your life, sexual history, relationships, and current difficulties. The goal is to find the interacting contributors, not to reduce everything to one hormone number. Areas explored typically include:

  • Depression and anxiety
  • Relationship conflict or a poor-fit relationship
  • Past trauma, including sexual trauma
  • How you learned to masturbate and have sex
  • Shame and beliefs about masculinity
  • Sexual orientation, identity, and desired activities
  • Physical contributors like pelvic-floor dysfunction

Cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) is one framework used here. A core target is the belief that your value depends on erection hardness or sexual output. When anxiety is severe, psychiatric assessment may be added, though some anti-anxiety medications carry sexual side effects, so the choice matters.

Frequently Asked Questions

Can you have ED with normal testosterone?
Yes. Adequate hormones and effective medication don't guarantee reliable erections. Anxiety, shame, relationship dynamics, learned expectations, and pelvic-floor dysfunction can all interfere while your bloodwork looks fine.

Are more Kegel exercises always good for ED?
No. If your pelvic-floor muscles are chronically tight rather than weak, more contractions can worsen symptoms. A pelvic-floor physical therapist can tell you which case you're in.

Does watching porn cause erectile dysfunction?
Not by itself. Many men watch frequently without ED. The bigger risk is porn shaping unrealistic performance scripts, and quitting won't fix ED if underlying anxiety and self-worth beliefs go untreated.

Is using ED medication a sign of weakness?
No. An erection is a bodily function, and using assistance for it is no different from wearing glasses. The problem is the shame attached to it, not the medication.

Who treats performance anxiety and sexual shame?
Sex therapists and certified sexuality counselors. A good starting point is the AASECT directory (American Association of Sexuality Educators, Counselors and Therapists). Online video sessions make this accessible even if no specialist is nearby.

The Bottom Line

Treating only the erection can relieve the immediate symptom. Lasting improvement usually takes more: breaking the anxiety cycle, reducing shame, communicating with your partner, addressing pelvic-floor or other physical factors, and replacing performance-based definitions of sex with intimacy that actually means something. If the numbers look normal but the problem persists, that combination is where to look.

For related reading, see our guides on the connection between hormones and libido, pelvic-floor health for men, and how to talk to your doctor about sexual side effects.



By Nelson Vergel. This article is for educational purposes only and does not constitute medical advice. Always consult a qualified healthcare provider before starting or modifying any hormone therapy or medical treatment.
 
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ExcelMale.com Interview
The Psychology of Male Sexual Health, Erectile Dysfunction, and Performance Anxiety
Nelson Vergel in conversation with Paul Nelson, licensed sex therapist and founder of FrankTalk.org


Introduction
Nelson: Hello, everybody. Nelson Vergel here with ExcelMale.com. I'm very happy today to have someone I'd consider an old friend. We met a long time ago at a urology conference. You had a booth there representing your FrankTalk.org, and I was like, who's this guy? I was very interested in your work.
Nelson: The reason I brought Paul on, and yes, Paul Nelson and Nelson Vergel is going to be a confusing thing, is because he brings a knowledge base that I myself lack, and that most of my ExcelMale.com members also lack: the psychological side of men's health, men's sexual health, erectile dysfunction, performance, and society. It's a very complex topic. He's a licensed sexuality counselor and licensed therapist in New York and Connecticut, and he also does video counseling all over the world. Good to clarify that before we start.
Nelson: Paul, you're basically the leader in the male sexual health arena when it comes to counseling guys. You're nationally recognized, and you're a prostate cancer survivor. That's how you started. Everybody has a story when they start this work. You founded FrankTalk.org in 2009, a forum you started a few years before I started ExcelMale.com. I actually remember reading your forum while I was writing my first book. FrankTalk.org has become one of the largest online communities focused on male sexual function and recovery. Your work has been featured by ABC News, BBC, NPR, The New York Times, Men's Health, The Guardian, and the Discovery Channel. You're everywhere. So tell us how you started this whole thing. Tell us about your path and your work.

How FrankTalk.org Began
Paul: Sure. I was very young. I was diagnosed at 46 with prostate cancer, which is young. My father died of it the day after I was diagnosed. If anyone out there has a chronic illness, you know there are all these communities online where you can talk to other patients. In the prostate cancer world, there are probably a dozen enormous forums where you can ask what your treatment was like, what the doctor visit was like, what surgery was like, down to the most minute aspect of your cancer journey.
Paul: After surgery, and it doesn't matter what the doctors say, 100% of men have sexual complications after prostate surgery. That's normal. So I went online looking for a similar community for men's sexual function. I could ask all these guys about prostate cancer. Where were the men I could ask about ED and everything else? I couldn't find any.
Paul: My wife is a librarian, and she said, well, you're just using the wrong search terms. I said, what else do I search? She did some digging and came back and said, you're right, there's nothing out there. So she said, why don't you start it? I thought she was nuts, because at the time I was an opera singer. That was my last career. I didn't know anything.
Paul: Long story short, I started it, and within the first month it was crazy. Two hundred men signed up when the site was a week old. I don't know how they found it. Now, for the last six months, we've had two million men a month. We're down to 1.1 million right now, because two million was too much and the site kept crashing. It's hundreds of thousands of posts of men asking, describing, and seeking advice. It's patient to patient. I'm largely absent from it. No doctors allowed. No one can sell anything. It's all man to man, no women. A safe place for men to talk. It's been going 17 years.
Nelson: And it's anonymous, right?
Paul: It's all anonymous. They come up with a screen name that's their own creation.
Nelson: Sorry, I keep interrupting. That's my bad habit. I get too excited when you talk. So, my guys on ExcelMale, if they don't know about FrankTalk.org, they will now, and they'll go visit. When it comes to the psychological side of erectile dysfunction and performance, what are the main issues?
Paul: First, it's where guys go to learn mostly about ED. But we had to take on premature ejaculation, delayed ejaculation, pelvic floor issues, low libido, and low testosterone, because there are no communities talking about living with this stuff. There are lots of medical discussion boards, but not a lot about what it's actually like to live with it.
Paul: The number one concern is that most men are in a state of panic. Their penis isn't working, so they think they can't have sex. What do I do? Where do I go? How do I find help? That's basically what most men are looking for.
Nelson: Do they mostly ask about treatments, or are they also seeking psychological support from other men? At ExcelMale.com we cover treatments: penile implants, testosterone, hormones, DHEA, estradiol, you name it. But when it comes to performance anxiety, which I'd say is more common than not, we were really lacking that part. How are men able to accept, first of all, that this goes beyond their numbers, beyond their hormone levels?
Paul: Western medicine, a doctor's office, has told guys it's pretty easy to give a man an erection. My joke is that even after you're dead, we can give you a boner. It's surprisingly easy with injections and implants. So that's not what the men are there for. What they're getting is man-to-man support and someone it's safe to talk to. No one is going to make fun of them or call them names. None of that toxic masculinity, oh, you're some loser, it's all in your head, just get over it, man.
Paul: Men are thrilled because it's anonymous. They let their guard down and get very open and vulnerable, and it's amazing. I have a few part-time moderators, but for the most part I don't need them. The men are incredibly kind and supportive. They moderate each other. What really changes a man's life is the support and the connection with other men.
Nelson: And very few men talk to their friends about this.
Paul: No. It's not safe in our culture.
Nelson: From what I've seen, a lot of men actually lie about their performance and claim they're having more sex than they are.

From Patient Educator to Sex Therapist
Nelson: Let's switch from your online work with FrankTalk to your actual counseling and therapy work.
Paul: I started at Mount Sinai doing patient education on erections and injections, all very medical. I was a medical trainer and educator. Then the doctor I work for now at Maze Men's Health hired me and wanted me to become a nurse. I'm glad I didn't, because a friend said, a nurse, that's not what the guys need. So I went back to school and became a sex therapist.
Paul: Now I'm embedded in men's sexual medicine. I see every patient first, before they see the doctor, and I get a whole life history: relationships, stress, anxiety, depression, relationship issues, history of trauma. Twenty percent of men suffered sexual trauma as a kid. And 25% of men have pelvic floor dysfunction.

Pelvic Floor Dysfunction: The Overlooked Problem
Nelson: Let's stop here, because nobody talks about that.
Paul: It's the most diagnosed thing in men's health today.
Nelson: And what is it? Tell us.
Paul: Your pelvic floor is 14 muscles woven like a basket that support your guts. Everything hangs from it. These muscles are generally weak in men because we don't exercise them. And please don't go crazy doing Kegels. Just like you don't go to the gym and do shoulders every single day, don't do Kegels every single day. Everyone's heard of Kegels, but most men do them wrong anyway.
Paul: The penis goes through these muscles. They wrap around the bladder, the nerves, the blood vessels, and the colon. Everything passes through this basket weave. I carry stress in my neck; it's always tight. Many men carry stress in the pelvic floor, so those muscles are always tight and can go into spasm. Most men have had a back go out or a muscle get really tight. That's what happens to your pelvic floor, and when it does, it's pinching nerves.
Paul: Guys come in saying there's pain at the end of my penis. It's not the penis, it's the pudendal nerve being compressed. Or my balls hurt, or I've got hard flaccid. That's pelvic floor. Constipation, diarrhea, peeing all the time, a thin stream, stop-start stream, dribbling, wiping 17 times every time I poop. All pelvic floor. It causes delayed or absent ejaculation, lack of orgasm because the penis is often numb, ED, and pain. Just getting an erection can hurt.
Paul: You go to the doctor and they say there's nothing wrong with you, because these doctors can't assess pelvic floor tone. You have to go to a pelvic floor physical therapist to get diagnosed. Then there are all kinds of treatments. I could talk all day about pelvic floor. Let's do a whole separate session on it, because there's no single silver bullet that fixes it.
Nelson: It's the least discussed subject. I've only really become familiar with it in the past year, and I found a pelvic floor therapist here in Portugal. In the States, the only doctor who mentioned it to me was Dr. Mohit Khera, a urologist in Houston. Most urologists don't.
Paul: They don't. They make it worse, because they put a scope up your penis, which makes all your muscles contract even more.
Nelson: It's very frustrating. Let's make pelvic floor the whole topic of the next podcast, because most guys have no idea what it is. I thought I knew everything, and I didn't. I had some pelvic floor issues myself, from sitting too much and sitting on the toilet too long, things I'd been doing wrong for years and only found out about this year.

Masculinity, Performance, and What Sex Actually Is
Nelson: Tell me what surprises you, or what's under the radar and yet more common than people think. Give us some case stories.
Paul: After doing this for 15 years, nothing surprises me. As for what doesn't get talked about: I used to teach sex therapists. I'd tell them, you can't understand male sexual function without understanding male sexuality, and you can't understand male sexuality without understanding masculinity.
Paul: How you and I grew up learning to be men was taught to us subliminally. No one told us directly. We learned that a real guy walks a certain way, talks a certain way, dresses a certain way, plays the right sports, and expresses emotion in the right way. We call that the man box. We were raised to fit into a box this big so we could be a regular guy. The fact is, no one grows up automatically fitting in the man box.
Paul: So how did a man learn to have sex? I ask every guy, who taught you how to have sex? No one. So everything you know about sex comes from teenagers and porn, which means everything you know about sex is wrong. Guys get frustrated: what do you mean, I've had so much sex? I tell them, just because you eat a lot doesn't mean you know anything about food.
Nelson: Right. Just because I cook grilled cheese sandwiches doesn't mean I'm a good cook.
Paul: Exactly. Every guy believes sex is: we make out, play with body parts, do oral, then intercourse, and we both have to finish. That's not sex. That's a porn scene. We all learned to recreate a porn scene and think we had sex. The reason we call it performance anxiety is that we're performing. When you're performing, you're putting on a show, which means it's not you. I ask guys, when was the last time a partner said, would you please put on a sex show for me? Never. And yet that's what you're bringing to the party.
Nelson: Especially between men and women, that's the ultimate misunderstanding.
Paul: Intercourse is how you make a baby, and most people don't even want a baby. So learn how to have sex. Even my friends who are porn stars, and I have many, say if people knew what we go through on a porn set, they'd know we don't have sex like that.
Paul: So people ask, then what is sex? My two-cent version: it's a form of communication, a language. I'm going to touch you in a way that expresses how I feel about you. Period. Notice I didn't mention your penis, being horny, or orgasms. You can have great hookup sex with someone you met 30 seconds ago, and what you communicate is, great body, great time. That's fine, but it's not a very deep language.
Nelson: Right. When it comes to language, that's a shallow one.
Paul: Most of us want a lover. People get bored doing the same five things: make out, play with body parts, oral, intercourse, finish. People get bored with that after 10 years, because they think sex is an activity. Once you learn to touch someone's body to reach their soul, every time you have sex is different.
Nelson: Wow. That's a quote.
Paul: Who taught you how to masturbate? Nobody.
Nelson: In the Catholic world I come from, it wasn't a good thing.
Paul: Right. So at 40 you're masturbating exactly the way you did at 14. That's arrested development. You never grew up in that area. And guys at 40 are still trying to have the same sex they had at 20, as if that were the best sex. Every guy at 20 is basically an idiot. They just want to blow their load.
Paul: As we get older, like businessmen or athletes, we work smarter, not harder. Sex becomes more emotional and more spiritual and less physical. That's evolving and growing sexually. Frat-boy sex was great when you were a frat boy at 20. Good for you. Those poor partners put up with a lot of bad sex. So in a nutshell, you don't know how to have sex, so you're putting on a show. Let's put the show away and let's be you.

Porn, Anxiety, and What Actually Causes ED
Nelson: Here's what I'm seeing across all ages. We have easy access to free porn now. I'm 67. I remember when you had to go to a store and hide to buy a Betamax tape. Now it's free and everyone's on their phone. Are you seeing an impact on men's sex lives, or on their desire for partnered sex, because they're basically getting off with a phone?
Paul: The world loves to demonize porn. First, porn itself does not cause ED. I've got just as many men who watch porn three hours a day and masturbate four times a day and have no erection issues. So what's the problem? The problem is anxiety.
Paul: Who watches more porn, the guy out living a great life, or the guy alone in his basement on the computer? The second guy has more anxiety. Does porn itself cause anxiety? No. What causes anxiety is insecurity, lack of self-actualization, lack of validation, not feeling like enough. The real problem is what men learn sex is from porn, and then they think that's how they have to do it. That's why young men are slapping vulvas now. Women come in saying, we're making out, he does oral, then he leans back and smacks my vulva. What is that? It's all over porn. Guys pick up cues about how to have sex from porn.
Paul: Is anxiety worse now than 30 years ago? Absolutely. There's more social pressure, and that's a whole different conversation. But I don't want to vilify porn and cause guys more problems. Men come into the office thinking, I broke myself, I watched too much porn. What you have is anxiety. Focusing on the porn lets us avoid digging into what's really going on. It puts the blame on an external thing: I'll just cut out porn and I'll be fine. Then they cut it out and they're not fine, and they conclude they're permanently broken. You're not broken. You have anxiety. How you're trying to be a man, and how you're trying to be sexual, is the real issue.
Nelson: I can relate this to my world. My guys concentrate on their numbers. They blame their estrogen levels, and by the way, there's good data that estrogen is actually good for male libido, not just women's, and men need estrogen. They fixate on numbers when, on paper, their numbers are fine. It's a lack of awareness that there are issues beyond the numbers, including in the relationship. Some men tell me that when they can't get an erection, their partner takes it personally and assumes they're no longer attracted to them. That's a double anxiety.

Breaking the Performance-Anxiety Cycle
Nelson: I hear so many stories about performance anxiety getting worse over time. There's a snowball effect, not only from the partner's reaction, but from the man's own focus after it happens once. How do you break that vicious cycle?
Paul: We can't separate the body from the mind. The idea that they're two separate things has been around about 2,500 years, since the Greeks, and it's wrong. The minute you have one sexual mishap, if you're thinking I have to perform perfectly, your anxiety spikes. It's like a batter's slump, or a hockey player who can't hit the goal. We give each other grace for that in the athletic arena, but not in the sexual arena.
Paul: In sexual medicine we use the biopsychosocial model. I'll call it biopsychosexual. We need a holistic approach. Medications are our friends. Are they the answer? Never. But they're a great tool. If you have any wobbles with erections, use a Viagra or a Cialis. They won't hurt you, you don't get addicted, and your body doesn't come to depend on them. If your anxiety is out of control, see a psychiatrist. There are only two or three anti-anxiety medications without sexual side effects, so give me a call and we'll go over those.
Paul: Then the psychological piece is plain old CBT. Your value and worth as a person are not based on how hard your penis is. Who told you they were? Where did you get that message? Why do you believe it? Does the whole world only like you when you have an erection? No. And if you're having sex with women, women are not into the penis the way men think they are. That pressure to have an erection is very different in gay sex; unless you're a total bottom, a lot of guys say, I'm a bottom because I have ED and it works for us. Great. But would you like to get your penis back on the menu? Yes. Then let's find the right treatment so you can get an erection. Everyone deserves an erection.
Paul: You and I both wear glasses. We deserve to see. You could say don't use glasses, keep it natural. That's nonsense. I want to see. If I want an erection and I need a pill, injections, or whatever it takes, knock yourself out.
Paul: So: where's the stress, and what belief system have you embraced? I have to perform like a porn scene, or I'm less than. If I don't give my partner 17 orgasms, I'm less than. If I don't look like a stud, I'm less than. As men, we were taught our value is in what we provide. And then, how did you learn to have sex? Sex isn't about your penis.

Disclosure, Shame, and the New Book
Nelson: I want to plug the book I just published this week. It has almost nothing to do with your work, only about a page on the psychological aspects. It's all about ED treatment. It's called From Pills to Implants. It's mostly discussions from ExcelMale that I collected over 14 years. I contacted you because that one page on the psychological side is, honestly, the most difficult aspect of ED.
Nelson: About 30 to 40% of men either fail the drugs, or the drugs fail them, or they have side effects, so they move to other treatments. But beyond the anxiety, there's the disclosure issue. A lot of men think that taking Viagra or Cialis, or doing Trimix injections, isn't a natural erection, so they still feel broken for using those products. And they keep it to themselves, because telling their partner would mean admitting they don't have a natural erection.
Paul: I hear that every day. Partners say, I'm not good enough, I don't arouse you. It comes back to what we learned about being a man. A real man supposedly wants sex 24/7 and gets an erection the moment he's aroused.
Nelson: You see it in the movies, Paul. The woman just touches him and he's ready and they go right to it.
Paul: Both of those are lies, and Hollywood keeps perpetuating them. I was on a forum today where a guy said his girlfriend is really pressuring him for sex and it's causing anxiety, and he asked how to tell her to back off. Another guy replied, you're a pussy. That's how men police each other when someone falls out of the man box. You're supposed to want sex 24/7, and if you don't, you're a failure as a man. And men believe it, because that guy told him so.
Paul: So it's the sexual layer: how we learned to have sex, and our beliefs about why we're having it. People say you have sex because you're horny. That's like saying I only go to work when I'm poor, or I only eat when I'm starving. You're a bodybuilder. You eat regular meals, not just when you're about to pass out.
Nelson: Right. And if you only eat when you're starving, you eat garbage.
Paul: Exactly. I tell guys, you have sex because the relationship deserves it, not because you're horny. Are your testicles running your life? Grow up and own your sex life. You don't run the rest of your life on hormones. You don't say, I'm too tired, I'm not going to work today. You go to work because you have to. You have sex because the relationship deserves it.
Nelson: Sex also shouldn't be a chore on your to-do list. And there's such a thing as peace without a lot of sex. As we get older, we have to accept that. You can have a loving relationship where you're not having sex twice a week, or even once. People have this notion that they must have sex two or three times a week forever, even after 30 or 40 years together, when most people don't, and most people aren't talking about it. Plenty of couples sleep in separate beds because they sleep better. You counsel men, but nobody's counseling the women, and nobody's counseling the couples.

How to Find Help
Nelson: You're in New York and Connecticut, an area with a lot of access to this kind of therapy, though it's not great for hormones. The reality is that it's very hard to find a qualified sex counselor. You can Google your city and sex therapist. Besides finding you, what keywords should people use?
Paul: Most people don't even know what to look for. Start with sex therapist. But even then, look for AASECT, the American Association of Sexuality Educators, Counselors and Therapists, at aasect.org. That's a listing of certified therapists and counselors, and it's where I'd start.
Nelson: We'll list these in the description. And how do people get in touch with you directly?
Paul: Through me at [email protected], or my website, FrankTalkTherapy.com. The forum is FrankTalk.org.
Nelson: And mine is ExcelMale.com. I'll put all of this in the video description. We're going to do several podcasts, because we're rushing through a lot of hot topics. I just want people to get a feel for who you are and what you do. Pelvic floor, we'll come back to. We could easily do 10 episodes on subjects nobody discusses.

What a Session Looks Like
Nelson: You do sessions, coaching, and therapy online by video, so people don't have to live in New York or Connecticut. Before we go, tell me briefly how a session works.
Paul: Video works well. People don't have to come into an office, and it's safe. Talking through a computer might sound less personal, but it's actually a good setting for these conversations. The first session is an intake, where I ask about your life, your sexual history, your relationships, and what's going on. We uncover a lot: depression, anxiety, trauma, misunderstandings about how you learned to have sex, a bad relationship, orientation issues.
Paul: I help a lot of guys sort out the gay, straight, and bisexual labels and how unhelpful they are. There's research suggesting 60% of men will have sex with a man at some point. Does that make them bisexual? Not at all. Can a gay man have sex with a woman? Yes. Is he still gay? Yes. Men are terrified of these labels. I also help men sort out things like, is it okay that I want to get tied up and spanked by my wife? Sure. There's a lot of sexual shame. Most men are riddled with anxiety and shame about who they are and their sexuality.
Nelson: I can definitely see that. Thank you so much, Paul. I'll provide all the details from our discussion: a transcript, links, and resources, so people can get help and hopefully contact you. We'll do a few of these. I'm going to have the guys comment on YouTube and on ExcelMale about what else they want us to cover, because you're not only super knowledgeable, you're also fun to listen to. I was in awe the whole time. I'm usually not this quiet. Listening to you was entertaining and eye-opening. Thank you so much, and we'll talk soon.
Paul: Thank you so much.
Nelson: Take care.

Resources
  • FrankTalk.org — Paul Nelson's anonymous, patient-to-patient community for male sexual function and recovery.
  • FrankTalkTherapy.com — Paul Nelson's video counseling and therapy practice (available worldwide).
  • Contact — [email protected]
  • AASECT (aasect.org) — American Association of Sexuality Educators, Counselors and Therapists, directory of certified providers.
  • ExcelMale.com — Nelson Vergel's men's health and TRT community.
 

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